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12/15/05 - NNHS Newsletter - The Holly and the Ivy

"At Christmas
A man is at his finest towards the finish of the year;
He is almost what he should be when the Christmas season's here;
Then he's thinking more of others than he's thought the months before,
And the laughter of his children is a joy worth toiling for.
He is less a selfish creature than at any other time;
When the Christmas spirit rules him he comes close to the sublime..."

~ Edgar Guest

Dear Friends and Schoolmates, 

   I hope y'all have your lives more well organized than I do at the moment.  Otherwise, you're in BIG trouble!

NNHS Class of 1958 Holiday Dinner, 2005
Place:  Hampton Yacht Club
Date:  Monday, December 19, 2005
Time:  6:00 PM Social; 7:00 PM Dinner
Contact: Joe Drewry at

  From Wayne Stokes ('65) of VA - 12/14/05 - "Photos":

In the category of "WHO CARES?!" I'd like to explain the "mug shot" that appears with any of the junk I write that you may share in the newsletter.   (Chandler) Nelms' (Hampton HS - '63) of MD) idea, I thought, was an excellent one and apparently I'm not alone in that position.( By the way and absolutely unconnected to the rest of this nonsense, I also knew Dr. {Nowell D.} Nelms, as a patient, and became a long time (many years) patient of that upstart, now retired, young Dr. Frank Robert that "took over" Dr. Nelms' practice or at least began his career there - the world gets yet even smaller!) 

   NO KIDDING?!?  Cool!

Then I thought on it a little further and came up with what we "talked" about and the why of it. Trying to "see" the person at that time in our lives (high school) may help one remember that person as they were at that time, no doubt. This came up again a letter or two ago, thus this rambling!

However, with the exception of those with the necessary cash and an excellent plastic surgeon, all of us have battled the passing of time and suffered the effects. We don't look like we did 40+ years ago! And for some of us, my group, the "Ugly Duckling" did not turn into a swan!! But, we did change in appearance while rigidly and firmly holding onto our memories of the "good 'ol days".

   Wayne Honey, I do believe we had this discussion quite some time ago.  You were never an ugly duckling, nor were you ever perceived as such.  I was there, and some things I remember quite clearly.  It seems to me that I offered irrefutable proof of this to you and    Rip Collins ('65 - of TN) back on 07/06/04, and were it not for the embarrassment it might cause several of you gentlemen and the definite danger to my life and limb which would result immediately thereafter, I could produce such evidence.  (But I won't; 'course I won't....  GIGGLES!!!!!!)

In all seriousness I am not talking about "looks", never had that good fortune, I'm talking about appearance; how we "look" today. The reason that I provided the photo of me taken in Oct. '04 (as we sat talking before '64's outstanding reunion, you remember) was so folks would get some idea as to my appearance today at age 59. If you recall, I said to you (wrote) that I felt as if I were passing by people weekly that I knew and that knew me and neither of us recognized each other. We don't look the same, and I really don't look the same! Additionally, over the years I have been somewhat "camera shy" and not many photos of yours truly exist. My friends say that's because I don't want law enforcement to know how I look! Really nice friends, don't ya think?


Sorry to ramble, but that's the reason my "mug shot" is current, in hope that someone living locally reading this newsletter will recognize me and come forth so we may enjoy one another's company again and reaffirm our friendship. That's the reason. I'm not trying to be hard to please and nobody really cares anyway! I feel better!! 

   Wayne Honey, I'm comfortable with your posting whatever image you want!  As I heard said once long years ago, "H'it don't make me no nevah mind no how."

   I'm glad you feel better.  And we all care.  Deeply.


  From Chandler Nelms (Hampton HS - '63) of MD - 12/14/05 - "Bull Island":

The only thing I can suggest is that because we (Hamptonians, Crabbers, Krabbas, whatever) were closer to Bull Island, we couldn’t spell too well.

Chandler Nelms

   Chandler Darlin', you're a hoot!  Thanks!


The fact of the matter is, from what I’ve seen, Poquoson is THE place to be, now. What a fantastic transition that area made over the years. Very upscale and desirable. Go figure. ????????

Chandler Nelms

   You know, I must admit that discovery I only made about five years ago came as a big surprise to me.  Little did I know that my surprises were just beginning.

   Thanks, Chandler!


 From Gloria Woolard Price (Hampton HS - '65) of FL to  
Chandler Nelms (Hampton HS - ' 63) of MD -
12/14/05 - "Bull Island":

When you said Crabbers might not spell well because we're so close to Bull Island, my first thought was that you might incur their wrath.  Then it occurred to me that even if they know about Carol's wonderful newsletters, can they read them?  :)  Of course, I'm kidding, but I am talking about the original Bull Islanders, and NOT the many HHS graduates who live in Poquoson.  :)

   Gloria, you so baaaad!  GIGGLES!!!

   Thanks, Lady!


  From Wayne Stokes ('65) of VA - 12/14/05 - "Class of '64?" 

I have not moved to the "Class of '64" even given as much as I admire them!
Nobody's perfect! Your printing of  (Joe) Wingo's ('65 - of NC) support of my position of the "TYPHOON" issue has you putting me in the class of '64! That means we will have to forfeit every basketball win of the "65" season!!

   Well, Wayne Honey, if you're going to be picky!  There - I fixed it in record time.  Now no one will ever know (unless they read this, of course....)

GOTCHA!! I, along with    Rip (Collins - '65 - of TN), have been snookered, so don't feel bad about it.

   Ah, yes, the old email scams.  Well, they keep you humble, right?  GIGGLES!!!


   Thanks, Wayne Honey!  You take care, too!  You, too, Rip Precious!


  From Janice Pratt McGrew ('67) of VA - 12/14/05 - "A very moving tribute to our

This is a website that was sent to me that is very moving.  I have a son-in-law who is currently serving in Iraq and will not be home until after Christmas.  It is the first Christmas for him to be separated from his family which includes my 5 year old grandson and 22 month old granddaughter.  Please remember to pray for our troops and their families at this time of year.

   Thanks so much, Janice.  This is lovely.  Our thanks, prayers and best wishes to your family.


  From Tom Norris (Hampton HS - '73) of VA - 12/14/05 - "fellow HHS classmate
looking for Chandler Nelms' email address":

Carol .... spoke with Lee Moore (HHS-63) tonight at the Olde Wythe book meeting. He knows Chandler (Nelms - Hampton HS - '63 - of MD) from back in the day and has been reading along with the newsletters on your website he recognized my name immediately and associated it with you). Lee wants to email Chandler.

More info for you soon .... take care.


   "See, the way it works is, the train moves, not the station."

   Or in other words, that's great!  No one is more delighted when old friends reconnect than I.  But without Chandler's carte blanche or individual approval, I cannot willy-nilly pass his email addy on to others.  So have Lee email me and I'll forward it to Chandler.  Chandler then has the option to answer, and I don't get myself in hot water for violating confidentiality.

   Generally speaking, If I'm going to be in hot water with somebody, I'd prefer there'd be a hot tub involved.

   Meanwhile, I notified Chandler about the situation, who then said:

YES. PLEASE DO. Thanks. You’re a peach…….or some other sweet thing.

   Mmmmm - thanks, Chandler Darlin'!  That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day! 

   "Wit a minute!"

   (That's an old Scottish idiomatic expression roughly translating as, "Oooops - I missed the 'a'!")

   If Lee has been reading the newsletters anyway, why doesn't he just check in with us and join the fun?!?

   Oh, Lee-eee!

   Thanks, Babe!


  From Betty Brockwell McClure ('58) of VA - 12/14/05:

Hi, Carol,
I enjoy your newsletters so much - you are obviously Wonder Woman in disguise!

   ABSOLUTELY!  There's an incredibly striking physical resemblance as well! 

To    Joe Drewry ('58) (of VA):  Joe, I'm sorry I didn't get in touch with you (again).  Things have been rather crazy here.  We're moving next weekend, but just to another part of Prince Edward County.  I regret that I will not be able to attend the Class Holiday Dinner - I know it would be an exciting experience to see everyone after 47 years!

   AWWWW - what a shame!!!

Carol, it's okay to publish my e-mail address if you want to:  Also, my birthday is December 16 (day after tomorrow!), 1940.  I'll be 65 and Medicare- ready!

   I added your name, Betty - and a Very Merry Un-Birthday to you!

My husband, Doug, is your age.  He graduated from Western High School in Kokomo, Indiana in '65.  I showed him the Vietnam Era web page with all the music from that time, and he was enthralled - said it is an amazing site.
It's been interesting to read    Joe Madagan's ('57) (of FL) remembrances of East End.  My family lived in the 800 block of 28th Street until I was 12.  I walked to Thomas Jefferson Elementary for 1st through 3rd grades and then to Walter Reed Elementary for 4th through 7th grades.  Then we moved to Christopher Shores (haven't seen that neighborhood mentioned here) and the 900 block of 12th Street.  Christopher Shores was surrounded by a fence with the only way to enter being via Wickham Avenue.  It was comprised of the 800 and 900 blocks of 14th, 13th, 12th, and 11th Streets plus Christopher Place and River Drive.  It was surrounded by wonderful Stuart Gardens!

   You're right about Christopher Shores, Betty.  I remember that lovely neighborhood well.  The reason it hasn't been addressed is due to the strange evolution of the web site.  When we first added Our Old Apartments in the spring of 2003, we had no idea the page would grow to the size it has now.  This accounts for the problems in the discussions on Stuart Homes and Stuart Gardens.  There's actually a better description of the entire Stuart Gardens neighborhood on the Stuart Homes page, although Stuart Homes properly refers only to twelve apartment buildings housing twenty-four families at any given time.  Had we known from the beginning, we could have had a section called Our Old Neighborhoods, which would have been more useful and precise.

But, back to East End.  I had not thought of Mr. Walton, the fishmonger, in forever, but now I can see his truck with the scales, both weight and fish scales, in fact!  Does anyone remember the removal of the street car tracks?  I must have been only 3 or 4, but I remember waking up on hot summer mornings to the sound of the jack hammers.  We lived right across the street from the Derrs -   Bobby ('59) and I were the best of friends and played together a lot.  As I recall, Bobby was instrumental in the planning of the Class of '58's senior prom.....  Does anyone have any information as to where/how he is today?
To    Aretie Gallins ('59) Patterson (of Northern VA):  Aretie, I remember you from NNHS and enjoy reading your letters.  I don't know if you remember me, but my 2nd husband, Dave Atkins, and I built a home in 1968 on Battery Park Road in Smithfield.  Didn't you own the property right next to ours?  No one had built there by the time we moved on in 1986.
To    David Whitley ('67) of VA:  Hey, David - didn't I used to eat lunch with you occasionally in the cafeteria at Surry Nuclear Power Station in the 1990's?  You sure look like him, and he was a really sweet guy!

   Lemme see - tall, dark, gorgeous, funny, sweet, and works at Surry - yeppers, that sounds like him!

Carol, I've taken enough of your time for now.  I'll reminisce more later.  Thank you for all you do.
Betty Brockwell ('58) McClure

   Thank you, Betty!  It was good to hear from you!  Merry Christmas!


  From Bill Rash ('67) of VA - 12/15/05:


By chance I checked the birthday page and did not see my name – still in the mirror, though.

Oh, what a relief!!!
Anyway, please add me and    Dale Mueller ('64 - of VA) - both of us were born on December 22 (not the same year).

We have celebrated together with our wives for the last several years. Unfortunately we could not get together this year but we all are celebrating Dale’s big 60 along with a couple of other 60 “oldy but goody” friends including    Terry Seay’s wife, Wanda.

BTW,    Harry Barritt’s ('64) B’day is also 12-22 - same day as Dale’s.

 Wow - I haven't seen Harry since college.  Where is he now? 

   I added all three birthdays to the page for you (well, minus a couple of details......):

Pics from Memorial Day 05 at Buckroe Beach – Lobsters have been a tradition for several years now.


Thanks for all you do – you are great!!
I know.  And I am cute, too!  

Bill Rash


Dale ('64) and Lois Mueller Terry ('67) and Wanda Seay Bill Rash ('67) and Friends for Dinner Dale ('64) and Lois Mueller; Terry ('67) and Wanda Seay  
May 30, 2005 - Buckroe Beach, VA  
   It's cold and wet and rainy and yucky where I am today, but seeing y'all happy and having fun at Buckroe's sunny shores warms my heart.  Such fun!  Thanks, Bill!


Hi, Carol:

Boy, we sure received a nice response from your faithful subscribers regarding Hop's Place, and I am relieved to know that my guess that it was an auto parts retail supplier was correct. Having those Senior Moments almost daily, it is comforting to an Older Adonis to know he is not losing it all, except for the hair on my bald head.

Now that you have a Mariners Logo, when are we going to hear from "Bull Island" (AKA: Poquoson)? I know that area was hit really hard by flooding and hurricane damage, but surely someone has power by now and can connect to the internet.

   In fact, many of our subscribers do indeed live in Poquoson, though I'll not name them.

Also, how about York High, any subscribers from York High yet?

   To my knowledge, only    Lynn Walker Brothers' ('65 - of VA) husband, Barry (York HS - '65), holds that claim to fame.

Just trying my best to stir up some trouble!

   Joe Madagan, you naughty rascal!  Here I am, trying to chill for a couple of weeks as my "other" life enters total and utter chaos, and simply issue a very minimal Newsletter each morning to feed the several addictions among us, and there you are, trying to raise a rabble!  DO try to behave yourself, Sir!  WILD GIGGLES!!!

TYPHOON Regards,
Joe Madagan ('57) of FL

   Thanks, Sweet Adonis!


  From Jean Poole Burton ('64) of RI - 12/15/05 - "Howdy doot-te-doo...":

I am still laughing about that! But doesn't take much!

   No, not for either one of us!  WILDER GIGGLES!!

   Thanks, Lady!


  From Jean Poole Burton ('64) of RI - 12/15/05 - "Howdy doot-te-doo...":

So sorry I spelled it wrong.  What is the difference between a Doot-te-doo and a Doot-de-doo?  I could not resist after the long discussion about typhoon/ it time for a train story?

   Well, Jean, it's all in the embouchure.  You see, if let your lips relax and mellow, the result will be "amorphous and blobuous".  That would be the desired "Doot-de-Doo" effect.  But if you tighten your lips, the sound will be much more crisp and precise, and you'll have a "Doot-te-Doo".  Now while that sort of tonguing is important to the proper playing of a brass instrument, it's much too formal for a genuine "Doot-de-Doo".   I'm sure that the many brass musicians in our midst could give you a much more detailed analysis of this, but perhaps that will suffice until then.  It's vital to know these things, Jean.

   Sadly, I must report that someone accidentally squashed my Doot-de-Doo yesterday, and for a short while I was bereft.  But then I discovered my paper towels had just run out.  Now I have the Almighty Doot-de-Doo! 

   And yes, I think I hear a train whistle now:



   Many of y'all seem to be starting on vacation at the close of the day, so Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy New Year, and whatever else you may be celebrating until we meet again!  Be careful, be safe, be happy, and y'all take care of each other!  TYPHOONS FOREVER!

                          Love to all, Carol




"I only have two kinds of days: happy and hysterically happy."


The Holly and the Ivy

The holly and the ivy,
When they are both full grown,
Of all the trees that are in the wood,
The holly bears the crown.

O the rising of the sun,
And the running of the deer,
The playing of the merry organ,
Sweet singing in the choir.

The holly bears a blossom
As white as lily flower;
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
To be our sweet Savior.

The holly bears a berry
As red as any blood;
Any Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
To do poor sinners good.

The holly bears a prickle
As sharp as any thorn;
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
On Christmas day in the morn.

The holly bears a bark
As bitter as any gall;
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
For to redeem us all.

The holly and the ivy,
When they are both full grown,
Of all the trees that are in the wood,
The holly bears the crown.

"The Holly and the Ivy" midi and lyrics courtesy of  – 11/22/05

Rebecca Johns' Holly and Ivy" Illustration courtesy of - 12/05/05

Holly Divider Line clip art courtesy of - 12/05/05

Laughing Smiley courtesy of Janice McCain Rose ('65) of VA - 02/07/05
Thanks, Janice!

Amtrak Train Divider Line clip art courtesy of - 08/12/04

Wonder Woman image courtesy of via - 12/15/05

Animated Rolling on the Floor Laughing Boy courtesy of - 04/06/05

Cheering Smiley clip art courtesy of Al Farber ('64) of GA - 08/18/05
Thanks, Al!

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